The Burn Podcast by Ben Newman

Built Different — Justin Gatlin & Phil Heath on Greatness, Grit, and the Champion’s Mind

Ben Newman Season 8 Episode 9

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In this special compilation episode of The Burn Podcast, Ben Newman brings together two of the most dominant competitors to ever step onto the world stage: Olympic gold medalist Justin Gatlin and seven-time Mr. Olympia Phil Heath.

First, Ben sits down with Justin Gatlin to unpack what it truly takes to compete at the highest level in track and field. From Olympic glory to the setbacks and scrutiny that tested his resolve, Justin shares how mental toughness, discipline, and an unshakable belief in himself fueled one of the most resilient careers in sprinting history. He opens up about the evolution from elite competitor to mentor and coach, and why passing on lessons of focus, preparation, and character now drives him just as much as winning once did.

Then, Ben dives deep with Phil Heath, whose seven Mr. Olympia titles were not built on talent alone—but on relentless attention to detail and an obsession with mastery. Phil shares the internal battles that shaped him, the vulnerability required to confront his own weaknesses, and the standard of excellence that separated him from the field year after year. His journey proves that greatness is forged long before the lights turn on—it’s built in the unseen hours of discipline and self-confrontation.

Together, these conversations reveal a powerful truth: champions are not defined by trophies—they are defined by how they respond to adversity, how they refine their craft, and how they show up when no one is watching. If you want to understand what it really means to be “built different,” this episode will challenge you to raise your standards, strengthen your mindset, and reconnect to your burn. 🔥
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SPEAKER_02:

Your parents shaped discipline and instilled these amazing values in you. And I think for the reader, what's so unique is they see that discipline shine throughout your entire life, through ups, through downs, through challenge, through adversity, through becoming a champion. Why was it so important for you to be vulnerable and transparent with adversity and challenge?

SPEAKER_00:

I think when I was going through everything, I felt so alone, you know, through all my challenges, even through victory. You know, it's they what they say is lonely at the top sometimes. So I wanted, you know, the readers and young athletes to know what it feels like and know that you're not alone. If you're a winner, what does it feel like to be a winner? You know, because as athletes, we really don't talk about certain things. We don't talk about our lows and our highs. We just kind of just stay even killed across the board. And um through the adversities, I really felt alone. I felt like I was in a dark place. And then I realized I got a lot of love and fanfare from people saying, Man, I was going through a tough time. And knowing that you were going through a tough time too, um, it made me want to be stronger because I saw how you was able to elevate yourself out of that darkness and still remain who you are, your integrity and your drive and your fight to still go out there and conquer life. And it's like that gave me the inspiration. And it'll be some people then who never even ran track before. They said, I saw you run, I saw the intensity, I saw the dedication, the hard work, it made me want to run. You know, so I helped bring people into a whole sport that never even thought they could even do it, and they gave it a try because they became more brave, they became more disciplined, and they wanted to go out there and challenge life and make a life for themselves and control their destiny. So it made me feel really good. And I was like, well, how do we package this? How do we be able to say, okay, let's let's connect that, let's let's take away that buffer of an athlete at a high elevation and someone who's watching. And how do you connect? And I think this book is going to be a way for them to connect with me and know exactly what my journey was and hopefully inspires others as well.

SPEAKER_02:

Justin has now gone on to handle all these amazing lessons to others through speaking at events. Um, you know, he's now speaking all over the world. Uh, his podcast has brought a platform um to the world of track and field and beyond that had never been done before. I mean, you watch some of his episodes, and you know, it's become so popular because nobody in that community had never done anything like that from a podcast platform.

SPEAKER_00:

I told myself a long time ago, actually in 2003, I unfortunately wasn't able to participate at the World Championships that was actually in Paris at that time. And I sat in that stadium and I watched my fellow teammates go out there and run and win medals and get their victory laps on the grand stage. And I told myself, I'm never going to sit in the stands again unless I'm ready to sit in the stands. And throughout my whole career of almost 20 years, every time I went to a championship, I was on that starting line. So now I get an opportunity to kind of go full circle, and now I can say, okay, cool. I can sit in the stands now because I want to, and I can enjoy as a spectator and watch history being made in the hundred men's hundred meters and the women's hundred meters. So it's going to be amazing just to sit there and just watch the celebration, the cheers, the energy, because I'm used to being on the track and feeling the energy of the crowd. You know, now I can be able to be immersed in that energy and see exactly what's going to happen, see history being made. So I'm excited. I leave on the first, get there on the second, and it's going to be a whirlwind for like almost about a week for me. We're going to be on the go, moving around, vlogging, doing episodes of the podcast, talking to um all walks of life that have to do with the Olympics. And so the audience can get a better perspective on what it is. And we're talking about financials, contracts of athletes. We're talking about health and well-being of athletes, their preparation. We're going to talk about athlete, we're going to talk to athletes who've been to multiple Olympics. What is it like? All the Olympics, Olympics the same. Because this right here is the moment where the world stops. The world comes together. No matter if it's war or whatever's going on in the world, the Olympics puts all that on pause and people cheer for the dedication of these athletes. So I want to be right there, and I've loved being a part of it, but I want to be right there and witnessing on the streets how special this is.

SPEAKER_02:

Another area where you've continued to have a significant impact, and it's another one of those connections that we now have, is your work down in Houston. I'd love for you to tell us a little bit about the speed work that you're doing with athletes. Because I think a lot of athletes say, oh, well, I'd have to cut weight to get faster. I'd had to do this. Tell us a little bit about the work that you're doing as the elite performers, the NFL players, but also down to the individuals like Kennedy Rose and how you might be able to help somebody listening or to help one of their children.

SPEAKER_00:

So working with Najee has been an amazing experience because he's such a unique individual, right? When you look at him, he's just the best way to explain it is he's just a big human. He's a big human. Like he's proportionate and he's big. Like he's not, you know, normal advertised and stocky. He's not tall and lanky. He's just a big human. So watching him like in his running stance, in his running form, and getting up and go, like, it's amazing to watch. Because he's he's probably sitting at 225 and he needs to jump up, probably now 245 around there in that range. So you think about someone who's like 245 pounds and they're out there still running people over and they're racing, ripping down the sideline to get to the to the end zone. That is amazing to watch. So work with him, his mindset is just one of one. He does an amazing job of staying diligent and not having, you know, to lean on other teammates or individuals to like, come on, man, get it going, get it going. Like he has his own internal clock of this is my time, this is my grind, you know. So watching him, watching him go out and operate and then seeing what he does by going to Mexico and other places and and kind of introducing that culture to football as well that shows that he has an extensive career outside of just football. When he wants to retire, he's he's a guy who could be able to connect other cultures and other countries to the world of football. He just has that character. He's an amazing guy to watch, man. And other athletes that are coming along just sometimes you have athletes who are just amazing when it comes to physical, but they don't have the mental. And I think mental is something that lacks actually in sports. We praise athletes like Michael Jordan, uh Tom Brady, LeBron James, Kobe, um uh Kaylin Clark, Angel Reese. We praise all these uh amazing athletes on not only their physical talent, but their mental gift that they have to be locked in. And I think that needs to change now. The narrative is I don't want to shoot the same shots Caitlin made. You know what I mean? I don't want to throw a touchdown like Tom Brady. I want to be locked in. I want to be locked in for all four quarters. I want to be locked in for those two halves. I want to go out there and have my mind like a steel trap and nothing can break me. Because if your mind can do it, your body can do it. But if your mind's not ready, I don't care how hard you work, your body and you are not gonna get it done. So working with those, that's the pipeline that we're creating in Houston. We want to work with young athletes from middle school to high school and all the way to college and professional. Middle school athletes, we're teaching them how to be familiar with their body, how to be able to run correctly, how to be brave in their attempt to go out there and win. Um, and then high school is more of like educating them how to be able to say, okay, you really got three years, right? Because that senior year is where college is already going to be picking and looking at you. So either you can use that senior year as a dream year and say, I'm already signed, people know who I am because you work so hard, your freshman, sophomore, and junior year to get it done. And now your senior year is just beauty.

SPEAKER_02:

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SPEAKER_00:

And those college athletes, those college athletes are in that weird space where it's a transitional phase where they're in that college system, but they may have bigger dreams to turn pro. But how do you turn pro? Especially in track and field, there's no draft. You know what I mean? So it's not like the NBA or the NFL where you can say, oh, this is how I can get to the next level. A lot of these kids don't know how to get to the next level. So that's where my expertise uh comes in. I can help mentally get them ready, but I also can consult them on how to kind of navigate themselves from a collegiate realm into a more of a professional realm and kind of make them more business mindset. And then those pros that we have that we're working with, it's the same thing. Getting them more consistent, making them stronger, making them faster, making them more confident when they step to that starting line or when they get on that football field.

SPEAKER_02:

And I would just share with anybody listening in a world that can be very confusing when it comes to coaching and mental toughness and these differences that Justin's alluding to, you cannot replace what Justin Gatlin has been through. So, like, yes, he's one of one in terms of being one of the top three fastest human beings to ever run the face of the earth. But there's also a uniqueness of now coaching and doing things over a long period of time. He was coaching back in the day when he was at Tennessee as a teammate, right? Because he was a leader sharpening iron with the individuals that he was training with. And so why is this so important to you? Legacy and impact through others now.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, being an athlete, you have a small window in your whole life to be an athlete. And when you're when you retire, you want to look back on it and say, I did a I did something amazing. I did something that's gonna make me feel good, or make others feel good, or make your your children be proud to be that's your father or your mother, you know? And I really feel that this is a message and a platform and a launching pad for athletes to understand don't take every day for granted. Live your life as if you want to create a legacy, even if you're 14 or 15 years old. Live your life like you want to create a legacy. Now you may not know everything right off the bat, but that's how you become a student of the game. You learn. But as long as your direction is to create a legacy, you're never gonna go wrong. You're always gonna weed out the stuff that doesn't matter and you're gonna stay focused on the things that do matter. And one tip that you told me that I never even like defined is the fact that I always practice the unrequired things. If my teammates did 20 push-ups, I did 40 push-ups. If my teammates went out and did three reps of 100 meter sprints, I did six reps of 100 meter sprints. Because I know that if I'm able to go out there respectfully practice with some of the best in the world, I'm prepared for the rest of the world once I'm ready. And I think a lot of athletes have to realize that. Do the things that's unrequired because when you step to the line, you'll have way more confidence. You'll step to the line and say, you know what? Are any of these guys on the line doing push-ups and sit-ups at 5 a.m.? No. But I am. That's what I do. So you'll protect your integrity, your intent, your discipline, and your fire because you know that you did extra to get to that top and you'll fight to keep that same mentality.

SPEAKER_02:

So, Phil, this is your mic, this is your floor. I'd love for you to help people understand like, where did Phil Heath find that burn that lies inside of him?

SPEAKER_01:

Man, I'd probably say early on in life where I realized competition is everything, dude. Like to compete at something. It's one thing to have a hobby, which is great, but then to see what you're truly made of by competing in it. So it didn't matter if it was playing, you know, hopscotch. It didn't matter if we're playing checkers, it didn't matter if we're playing Nintendo, it didn't matter. Everything became a competition. And, you know, I grew up as an only child in Seattle, Washington. And fortunately for me, I was around a few other athletes. One in particular was Nate Burleson. And his family, he had he was one or four boys, right? So their father played in the NFL and the CFL. And I used to go over their house and I was like, man, this guy's, you know, buff. And he's always bringing over these big guys and working out. And little did I realize at the time that he had played professional sports. And I always wanted to compete with his sons, you know, with Kevin Burleson and with Nate. And we always like, who's the fastest, who could shoot the best, you know, playing a hoop. And that was also back in the day where at elementary school, where we all attended, who's the fastest, who could do the shuttle run, you know, who could do the flex arm hang, like those presidents' council of fitness tests. There was no participation ribbons given back then in the 80s and early 90s. Like it just wasn't the case. And I always wanted to be the best. I knew that I was short. And I remember crying to the doctor when they bring out the chart of saying, like, this is how tall you're gonna be. And I was like, oh, there's there's no one that tall in the NBA. And then here, and then here comes Bud Webb, you know. And I'm like, okay, so he can dunk. I'm like, what does it take to dunk? Well, you gotta work hard. I was like, well, I'll I'll do whatever it takes. So I was the kid that would see something, have a limiting belief, and then see someone else do it. I was like, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. It's like that story of Roger Bannister, right? You know, with the four-minute mile, and once he did it, then everybody else could do it. Sometimes you just need to be able to get around somebody else that has done it, and then you visualize it, and then you go ahead and do it. And I was never afraid of hard work, and you know, growing up again, I mean, it was just I was surrounded by other athletes, and I always just thought, man, I want to be the best, I don't want to be lagging behind, I don't want to be second best. I the second best sucks. And, you know, I was fortunate to have strong male role models, you know, the coaches, be okay with that. Like they were all about winning too. Everything was competitive. My my middle school gym teacher, still alive, his name is Ron Howard. This man played tight end for the Seahawks and the Dallas Cowboys and had a Super Bowl ring. So imagine being 13 years old and your gym teacher's got a Super Bowl ring, and you're looking at everybody's looking at the Super Bowl ring. You know what I'm looking at, Ben? I'm looking at his fingers mangled like this. Because he played in the 70s, man. So his fingers are like this. Well, he would talk and he'd be like, So, what you gotta do? And I thought he was just trying to be like cool. No, man, his hands are messed up. So I realized everything comes with a price, and that's okay because he's got the ring, and I thought, man, I I want that, I I want to be pro. I want to be pro at something. In fact, when I was interviewed after I got my Division I scholarship, my senior year, to the University of Denver, I was interviewed by the Seattle Times and they said, you know, you already have high hopes to do something and hoops. What are your thoughts? And I said, Well, I don't know about the NBA, but I'm gonna be pro at something. And that was a godsend, man, because I knew that I was never afraid of hard work. I was always being competitive at every little thing, every little thing. Who could do the fastest this? Who could do the best that? Like, that's just what mattered back then. And I still think it matters today. And that's what when I was introduced to bodybuilding, it was the perfect sport for me because it was all about just the effort that I was willing to put forth. You know, you could spot me, but that's not getting the job done. You can encourage me, but I still got to eat those meals. I still have to be willing to do the work when no one else is watching. And that's something I know you preach about all every day.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, we we are we are gonna talk about that. But before we get there, there's one story you shared with me, which is really unique because sometimes I think when I talk about this concept of the burn, and people hear my mom's story, they're like, I could understand that. Like you're you're fighting to continue to write her story every day. And some people have that pain, and then other people are like, wow, I've never had anything happen to where I figured out what that burn was. And and part of your burn, and you shared this amazing story with me about your coach who got mad at you for not dunking the basketball, who lit a fire, and and that to me, that's part of the burn. Like he helped you find this fire inside of you. You gotta tell us that story before we start talking about that seven-time Mystery Olympia body of yours.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh man, so uh shout out to Coach Bethia at Rayner Beach High School, which, you know, they've got a lot of great champions that have come out of there. It's got nine state titles, is phenomenal. But you know, I was always really athletic, and my biggest thing being under six feet was to jump high and just to get the shot off. And I used to lay the ball up or do a floater, and it would get blocked, and he would get so upset, along with a lot of other people saying, Well, why don't you just dunk it? That's all you gotta do, Phil. And I was just and I was timid. So he decided to bench me. And I'm a starter, I'm like supposed to be the man, you know. Like he benched me, and I'm like, okay, not only did he bench me, he made me run during halftime. I was like, okay, you're embarrassing me now. So of course, you know, any competitive person that gets embarrassed, they want to get some get back. So I remember stealing the ball from a guy instead of going down court and just laying the ball up. I dunked it so freaking hard where the ball like went through and it bounced like super high, almost hit me, you know. And you're like getting back instead of like pounding your chest and like, yeah, you know, you're like, I'm like dead eye looking at my coach like, see, you know, like F you, you know, like whatever, you know, but then it clicked. And he's looking at me like, see? I already saw it within you. This is what I had to do to pull it out of you, and now you're able to get a glimpse of what your potential truly is, and now it's your job to say, hey, no limitations, never again. And I didn't. In fact, I remember after that you know moment, I I thought, there's nothing I won't do for this man. And I didn't share this with you earlier, but I remember we had we had a game my junior season to go to state, and I played really, really good in that second half. I think I had like 19, like all threes. Just I got like six threes and a and a and one on a three, and I hit the free throw, but we lost. And then we lost like one guy missing an assignment, and just the guy just drained it. I wouldn't even call him crazy, but this is how intentional my coach was with winning. He was so disappointed because of the talent that he had on roster that as as we lost, you know, you shake hands and stuff like that, he was lying on the floor. Like in shock, in disbelief. So long that the next teams were doing their layup drills around him. He goes to the locker room. Does the speech, seniors, you know, thank you. Everybody else we have, you know, open gym, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, put your jerseys and throw them in the bag and we'll take care of. We'll see you guys in a week. And I remember going up to him and I said, and I was the prim and proper kid, but I went up to him and I said, Hey coach, he goes, What? I said, That shit will never happen again. And you know, you know, I was always raised never to not to curse anyway, but I was like very like with it. I was like, no, he needs to know. I said, I said, that shit will never happen again. And he goes, whatever, man. And I remember thinking to myself, he's just upset because of what just happened. But I I remember making sure that following year we were gonna win state. And we were gonna win it for him because it's the same guy that believed in us more than we believed in ourselves. And we went 27-2 that year, third on the West Coast and 21-21st in USA Today National Poll. Wow. And the team that we beat Ben was Olympia High School.

SPEAKER_02:

No way.

SPEAKER_01:

And the number I wore in high school, seven. Twenty-two, twenty two. The number I wore as a competitor in 2011 was 22. Some things just happened.

SPEAKER_02:

Like I said, like we talked about before we hit record, and then there's no coincidences. So Brit Breaking Olympia, the Phil Heath story. Amy and I are watching, man, it was like 9:45. I'm halfway through. Everybody knows I wake up so damn early in the morning. Like I'm usually out by 9:45. I could not go to bed. Amy's watching with me. She's getting all into it. Man, it goes till 10:45. I finish it, and Amy's like, I can't believe you're up until 10:45. I'm like, I can't go to bed. Like, this story is amazing. And Phil, where you went emotionally in the documentary. I want to start with find your edge in the details and some things that I pulled out, which were amazing, which helped me better understand your mindset and how you did what you did seven times. But then I know there's this whole deeper, passionate level of Phil Heath that wants to help men, women, people in life understand that it's okay to be you, it's okay to be vulnerable, it's okay to be authentic. Man, I've got tears watching the documentary. The partner in the documentary where they pause and we hear your tears with a black screen. Like, Phil, this is so deep. This documentary needs to be watched by everybody. How special was it for you for The Rock to approach you, to have this opportunity to finally tell your story? What was that like for you?

SPEAKER_01:

As a dream come true, to be quite honest, because you know, being an athlete and having reporters tell your story is one thing because they usually have an agenda, and sometimes that may not serve you, may just serve their narrative, right? And I've been a part of different film projects which in fact did not share who Phil Heath really is. It's just a facade of something else of what they envisioned a seven time or just a Mr. Olympia wanted to be. This was all about what I wanted. When I was approached with this project, it had nothing to do with protein shakes and training. It had all to do about me to the core. And once I was able to visit with our director, Brett Harvey, I recognized that his intention was to tell a story that's never been told. And that's one of extreme vulnerability. So I did the interviews, and then I realized, my wife and I both, we realized that's not good enough. That's only good enough for one audience. This needs to be something that everyone can relate to. And in fact, I had stories that I felt like they did, but I never wanted to share them because of the pain, because of the hurt, because of the disappointment and the embarrassment. And then I realized like this will probably be the most therapeutic session I could ever have by sitting in front of a director and him asking me these deeper questions and just run with it and see what happens, and you know, give it up to the man upstairs and just run with it, right? And that's where you get to see some really cool moments within the project. And in fact, I felt like there was a great energy without me talking about this to the other members of the film, they all collectively gave themselves to it as well, with Jay Cutler, with Ronnie Coleman, with my coach Hani Rambod, who had lost his father during COVID. It was just incredible to see, you know, we all put a lot into this sport of bodybuilding, but we, you know, we're willing to share our true self, our true emotions on camera, knowing that there could be judgment. Because, you know, with with the when you're vulnerable, a lot of people are they refuse to be emotionally available because of the vulnerability, be taken advantage of. It could be weaponized. And we've all been hurt once or twice in our life to where like, you know what, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna go there. I'm not gonna let you see this. Because if I do, you can hurt me. And I don't like that. This was like, nope, I'm so secure with myself right now. Like, this is gonna help me help somebody else. And working in that space of speaking in front of large audiences, you know, sports teams, uh one-on-one coaching, like, how can I pour into anyone else when I don't pour into myself? And that means I have to self-audit the hell out of Phil Heath and expose the demons. And Breaking Olympia allowed me that opportunity, so I went for it.

SPEAKER_02:

But when you would have a competitor, and I want everybody when you're listening, do you just show up? And I talk about this all the time. There's a difference between focus and intentional focus. And when I was watching the documentary, I realized, like, man, Phil just elevated to a level of intentional focus, like I don't even think I knew existed. Like, I think I could get better with intentional focus, and I'd teach it and talk about it every day. But you would literally not just say, I'm competing against Jay Cutler. You would let you would take pictures of your competition. You you're you're marking on their bodies, comparing it to your body. The level of detail that you went to was absolutely amazing, Phil. And I and I can't imagine that there's other people doing what you did from a focused standpoint to attack those details. How much did those details mean to your ability to do what you did seven times?

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, thank you so much. I mean, it meant everything. Because, you know, you have to carry yourself a certain level of humility, right? And saying, look, like these are the people who I'm going against, and they're champions in their own right. And they, and let's be honest, they don't want to lose either. So what are they not doing? Well, maybe they're doing a self-audit, but they're not recognizing the competition. So let me recognize the competition. So if this guy has a little bit better shoulders than I do, or let's say it's the best body part they have, and I don't have them, doesn't mean that I'm going to be able to make up that much ground within one calendar year, no. But what are my strengths? Hmm. Maybe if I etch out a little bit more detail here, maybe I create a little bit of roundness here. Maybe by doing that with the shoulders, I can shrink the waist just a quarter of an inch. Because what are most people doing when they train for shows? They want to get bigger. They're just thinking of the scale. I'm thinking about a certain look. And I'm thinking about how much more muscle per square inch I can put on this frame. So therefore, you get two people that let's just say they weigh the same and they actually have the same frame. The difference is going to be the muscle push muscle per square inch. So if you look at two television screens, both are 60 inches, the one that's 1080p, okay, the one that's 4K, man. And then you got the 4K OLED, man. Now you got the AK one. Oh my God. You know, like I want to be IMAX 3D, everything. And that's how I was like, okay, I gotta be meticulous about every gram of protein, carbs, fats, sodium, everything. I got to know that in order to become and stay the champ, I have to gamify everything from the steps on the step mill to how much sleep I'm getting, to what type of sleep I'm getting, to understand what modalities are available instead of just spending my money on you know garbage. Let's make sure this is this is one for you, Ben. So everybody says, oh, you eat steak? I'm like, yeah, I eat steak. I eat fish, I eat chicken. But I was going through a company that was their farms, you know, oh, free range, this and that. I wanted to know how they slaughtered them. Think about that. Because if you think about how something is slaughtered, it'll tell you a lot about the quality of the meat, or in fact the chicken. So if you just cut his head off, don't you think it's gonna tense up? If you do an incision, it's more humane, they bleed out, and it's more relaxed. So then when you cook it and then you reheat it, it's not tough. But if you flash freeze it, it'll be okay. But if you just freeze them, it crystallizes. But when you defrost it, what happens? You have like this little juice on the bottom of it, right? And then you throw it on the on the stove. You just cooked away all the damn nutrients. So I'm thinking about that, and then I take it a step further. Now I want to know where your water source is, and do they fly planes over it? Because the radiation gets in the water source that gets in the soil. That then this is how I think, bro.

SPEAKER_02:

Golly, that's what I said. I knew you never told me this stuff, and I'm like, I knew what I'm like, okay, this is intentional focused on another level. This is like elevated beyond, like, this is why you did what you did. And and Phil, this is unbelievable. And and and I know there's people listening, and the great thing about a podcast is I can't see you shaking your head, being upset about what you are or you aren't doing. But for Phil and I, just stop doing it. Don't trip on anything that's behind you. Phil and I have made so many mistakes, and he continues to make mistakes. I make mistakes. But like, if Phil can do that with the meat that he puts in his body to make sure that the nutrients stay in the meat when you cook the meat, then you could be a little more focused when you say goodnight to your kids. You could be a little more focused when you read the book to not just read it, but to read it. You could be more focused when you cook your food. You could be more focused to actually do your workout, you could be more focused in your work so you don't live with regret. So I had to get in, get that in there because you've got me hype just thinking about how I could take intentional focus to a whole nother level. This is unbelievable.

SPEAKER_01:

No, thank you. And you're absolutely right. You know, I think it's, you know, a person that lives with great intentions has no regrets, right? A famous person said that. And I think that we all need to continually do that. But then we have to be conscious. And unfortunately, because of, you know, we have laptops, TVs, phones, tablets, noise pulling at us. We think about what, a million thoughts a day. How many of those mean anything? And how many of those are producing anything? What if we could just eliminate more noise so then we can focus on just 10 things? Just 10 things, or maybe just one today, just one today. I must, no matter what happens, come hella high water. I'm not gonna drink alcohol today. Come hella high water when I when I drive home from work, I might take a little detour, slowly drive around the neighborhood and maybe park somewhere about a couple minutes away, text my wife and say, I'll be right home. Turn off the radio and take some deep breaths, recognizing my day. And even if I had the worst freaking day, I am not bringing that home to this woman, these kids. But just being that intentional, right, can make the world a difference. Instead of just driving your ass home, getting out of the truck, slamming the door, and then you have what? What I call the blank stare, which every man has done at some point in time in their life. Hey, honey, how you doing? I'm fine. Fine, fine, hey dad, fine, hey, hey, hey, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what comes out of your mouth. You don't know it, but that's what's coming out of your mouth. Nothing of substance. You're just lights with lights on no one home. That's what you are. Because you're not in your freaking body, because you haven't taken any time. So it's not something that I just did my whole life. It's something I had to learn. And it's and I fail at that sometimes, but I have to install and re-update, you know, like, hey, Phil, you just did a full press junket for Breaking Olympia? Did you even manage to take your wife out to dinner? And the answer was no. This was just a few days ago. And I was tired and this and that, and she'll she'll understand. Yeah, dude. But you know what, man? She deserves that extra gear. So, what did I think about all night? Phil, you gotta have an extra gear just for her. She should not get the worst bit of you after you just gave everything to these photographers and you know journalists and fans. She deserves that extra gear. There's a reserve fuel box that you have for certain things in your life. You deserve that.

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